tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14575780.post7833799200324209032..comments2024-01-31T18:37:07.424+00:00Comments on The Agitation of the Mind: Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid (2005 Special Edition)Neil Fulwoodhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14686296295535235988noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14575780.post-83490724877946593632020-09-19T04:06:08.401+01:002020-09-19T04:06:08.401+01:00It's all a work of the imagination, so one can...It's all a work of the imagination, so one can imagine the definitive version for oneself. This is not possible in most movies, because we only get to see one version, ever. Here, we've got several versions, thus several impressions, and, in a sense, this fragments the work a little too much and it becomes one more puzzle-burden to carry, confusing matters and wasting one's time. Essentially, one is seeing the same movie and nitpicking relatively trivial details. So the problem is not the editing, or the version.<br />The problem is Kris Kristofferson as Billy. I love the guy, but he doesn't work in any version. His mood, appearance, even his lack of skill with a gun and his general body language seem misplaced and often clunky. Coburn understands how to make the character tight and balanced on the screen, whereas Kristofferson acts as if it's all a bit of a laugh, being in the movies and playing Billy the Kid. This self-consciousness makes Billy look like a bit of a slob and quite a silly person. But maybe Billy was a silly person, I hear you say. Probably, but who wants to see a western about a silly person, unless it’s Bob Hope playing Paleface, or Dustin Hoffman in Little Big man? <br />Coburn/Garrett carry the energy here. Billy and his gang of losers are just a drag and make me want to just go to bed. And every time I see Alias, I just think, there's Bob Dylan... hmm, not bad there... shoulda' cut that, though; a distraction. Casting: that's always been the problem with this movie, not versions.<br />One thing I'll say for him, though, Billy can sure handle his liquor. First thought in the morning: whiskey. Before making love for the last time: whiskey. Doesn’t interfere with his gunplay one bit, apparently. Why is he drinking? I know that in westerns, when the cowboy is thirsty, he drinks whiskey, never water. But if Billy was that nervous or scared, he should have gone to Mexico and stayed there. By the end of the movie, I expected to be staggering around the room myself after all that booze, or rushing to the toilet after all that damn tea. <br />So the definitive version for me will be when a young Dennis Hopper gets the role of Billy, by way of digital replacement, many years from now.Mel Kizadekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15359622001184568822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14575780.post-57704458945169464952020-09-19T03:58:55.992+01:002020-09-19T03:58:55.992+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Mel Kizadekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15359622001184568822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14575780.post-52032897529140341412016-02-23T06:04:54.009+00:002016-02-23T06:04:54.009+00:00Excellent information and facts. Only real difficu...Excellent information and facts. Only real difficulty I was basically receiving was viewing the pics. 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Two of the essays address the 2005 "Special Edition" of <i>Pat Garrett</i>. One is by Seydor himself, and seems to be his attempt at a justification of his cut. The other is by Stephen Prince, and it basically rips Seydor a new asshole (in a mild-mannered, academic way). It makes for interesting reading. I acquired the 2-disc set last year, but like you, I've avoided watching the Seydor cut. I think I'm going to have to give it a go, if only because I still haven't seen the "wife scene."Michael Groverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11415848614028804767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14575780.post-40777650346149531452009-12-23T08:48:24.455+00:002009-12-23T08:48:24.455+00:00Aw Shucks, thanks Neil.
@Troy, no I don't th...Aw Shucks, thanks Neil. <br /><br />@Troy, no I don't think their is. Maybe that short film of Jodorowskies that spent most of its life in a Hungarian attic.Bryce Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17040954580033470664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14575780.post-91024039843877208062009-12-23T07:22:41.806+00:002009-12-23T07:22:41.806+00:00I didn't get past the credit sequence in the 2...I didn't get past the credit sequence in the 2005 version before determining it was already making the experience worse. Yeah, I was that knee-jerk about it.<br /><br />I'm having trouble coming up with any other film that has as strange a set of releases as this does...anything come to mind?Troy Olsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14843741571724231174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14575780.post-60114732145266944552009-12-22T11:15:56.525+00:002009-12-22T11:15:56.525+00:00Another excellent review, sir! Many thanks for the...Another excellent review, sir! Many thanks for the contribution. I'll be doing another "links and resources" style entry tomorrow and I'll be sure to link to it then.Neil Fulwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14686296295535235988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14575780.post-82852015152851142522009-12-22T09:45:37.428+00:002009-12-22T09:45:37.428+00:00Hey Neil as Promised I went ahead and did my own w...Hey Neil as Promised I went ahead and did my own write up on the film. Cheers!<br /><br />http://thingthatdontsuck.blogspot.com/2009/12/pat-garrett-and-billy-kid.htmlBryce Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17040954580033470664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14575780.post-84384661684659530832009-12-22T06:01:55.216+00:002009-12-22T06:01:55.216+00:00See I find this funny, I was introduced to the fil...See I find this funny, I was introduced to the film with the 2005 cut and I can't even imagine that scene without Knocking On Heaven's Door over it. To me it makes it.Bryce Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17040954580033470664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14575780.post-8523899511012115822009-12-21T15:28:54.606+00:002009-12-21T15:28:54.606+00:00I tried to find a balance between the different cu...I tried to find a balance between the different cuts for the sake of writing a fair article. The 2005 version works well when it makes minor tweaks and tightens up the editing, but the big decisions to cut entire scenes or chunks of dialogue and to use Dylan's music much more obtrusively are a mistake. Although I love the vocals to "Knockin' On Heaven's Door", that scene works much better for me with just the acoustic version playing.Neil Fulwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14686296295535235988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14575780.post-52952662406692662362009-12-21T15:17:28.250+00:002009-12-21T15:17:28.250+00:00I can't stand the 2005 version, although I did...I can't stand the 2005 version, although I did like the scenes between Pat and his wife. If I'm remembering correctly, "Knocking On Heaven's Door" is played much more predominantly over Sheriff Baker's death, and I felt like it really ruined an incredible scene. I just don't understand why the people who restored it felt they had the right to do it, as if they know what Peckinpah wanted. It seems weirdly presumptuous.Doniphonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02407443845368110678noreply@blogger.com